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Post by Gojitron on Apr 25, 2018 11:09:48 GMT -5
So no one gets blindsided in the other thread, discuss here.
#ThanosDemandsYourSilence
I'm going at 3:10 PM, Saturday April 28th. See you 3 hours after that!
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Post by Matrix Dragon on Apr 26, 2018 23:25:53 GMT -5
So, Brolin freaking nailed it as Thanos. This is the sort of galaxy slayer the comic version only dreams of being. Even his motives stem from painful experience and the sort of cold logic that would impress Shockwave. And his scenes with Gamora were a terrible kind of heartwarming, leading to horror. He really did love her as a daughter, but he couldn't walk away from his goal. Actually, all the deaths in this movie were well done, from Heimdall and Loki all the way to Nick Fury in the stinger. It was certainly better than a lot of event comics, putting corpses on the screen just to make it flashier. And the bits with Star-Lord and Scarlet Witch, actually pulling the trigger on killing the ones they loved to save them from Thanos, only to have even that snatched from them. In a way, it's for the best they were both part of the casualty list from the finger snap.
Biggest thing I didn't see coming has to be Red Skull appearing. I put that above even Spider-man being a casualty.
Strange's cape is Best Cape, and it was totally winning that fight with Drax.
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Post by Optimal Megatron on Apr 27, 2018 0:20:52 GMT -5
So, saw this at the premier.
Definitely a better Thanos than the Thanos of the comics. We were discussing after the movie that Thanos isn't sympathetic here? But he's incredibly understandable. His logic is the same stuff that Vision's talking about, where they could destroy him to prevent Thanos from winning. It's "one life for billions" extrapolated to "half the universe to save the other half". The bit about Gamora's homeworld is even more bittersweet.
Speaking of Gamora, GODDAMN. The facial capture was INSANE on that scene, with Thanos genuinely grieving the minute he grasps what he needs to do. Gamora getting the one-two punch of "Thanos isn't stopped by this" and "Thanos DID love her all this time" at the same time.... that and Thanos actually respecting Peter after he pulled the trigger on Gamora makes their parental relationship as messed up as the sisterly relationship with Nebula.
That said, every single fight was solid. No one got beaten for plot purposes. I loved the fact that Thanos has genuine respect for Stark after the brawl there.
The forge for Stormbreaker was insanely awesome looking.
And I'm calling it now. Tony plays some key point in beating Thanos, given that Strange sacrificed EVERYTHING to save Tony's life, after his mention that there's only one possible reality where they win.
That said, it's entirely understandable that there's only two movies (one of them a prequel) before the second Infinity movie. With the ending they hit? There was no way they could handle THAT many movies before resolving it.
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Post by darkseraph on Apr 27, 2018 2:51:09 GMT -5
Who here laughed at "Ring Wraith" Red Skull? As for the franchise future, I would not be surprised if Stark "retires" after all this shit, guys gone through hell and back. But the big question is, how will they handle the cosmic undo in part 2? We know it will happen, but how is the question. Me, I think they might use it to undo some villain deaths or maybe even use the cosmic rewrite to change some actors. And then they need to find some way to get rid of the stones.
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Post by Deinonychus on Apr 27, 2018 12:53:39 GMT -5
Saw this last night and...wow...I haven't been that pumped after seeing a movie in a long time. Thanos was perfectly crafted. I do, however, disagree with some of you that he's better than the comic version in-whole. I agree that the MCU Thanos is better than how Thanos has been written in the mainline comic stories recently, but I still think that Thanos as written by Jim Starlin is a much deeper and more complex being. That being said, they made choices for on-screen Thanos that made him more cinematic and comprehensible to audiences while still retaining depth, complexity, and pathos...so...yeah, awesome work Every other character nailed it as well. I can't think of anyone in the movie that didn't seem necessary or got particularly short-shrifted. This was a big comics crossover event and really did feel like it. Or at least, it felt like issues 1-6 of a 12-part limited series. It was cool to see the different groups of personalities break-up and pursue their own separate quests. The workings of the Infinity Gems themselves were pretty cool as well. I loved how Thanos utilized the Reality gem and how it resulted in some particularly comic book-like effects for Drax, Mantis, and Peter's gun. The return of the Red Skull was a great treat. My mind was racing when the mysterious cloaked figure first appeared as I tried to puzzle out who it could be...never even guessed close. Hulk/Banner slamming into the Sanctum Sanctorum as the first indication of the trouble brewing was a great parallel to Infinity Gauntlet where Silver Surfer did the same thing to bring his warning of Thanos. If this film had any single flaw (for me anyway) is that since I'm such a huge fan of Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet story it's that I was actively rooting for the bad guy. My pulse quickened and I got actual chills when Thanos acquired the Soul Stone and completed the Gauntlet. And when he snapped his fingers I sat bolt upright in the theater seat and was muttering "Did he do it? Did he do it?". He did indeed. When the house lights came up everyone else in the theater was sitting there in stunned silence with looks of horror and disbelief on their faces, whereas I had a big open-mouthed smile on my face. Another part of that was due to that final shot with Thanos sitting on his front stoop satisfied with himself...just like the end of Infinity Gauntlet (but for different reasons) I do like how it seems as if they've set up reasonable conditions for the next one. It was my impression that the Gauntlet itself is burned-out and that may prevent Thanos from utilizing the gems in concert, thus making him vulnerable instead of being an invincible god. Strange saw only one path to victory, and that has to involve the Gauntlet being assembled in-full so that it can be used to put things right again. And perhaps this line of comic-veteran thinking is what kept me from being as shell-shocked by the ending as the rest of the theater. As I kept muttering to my Wife while waiting out the credits "They'll be fine. They'll all be fine". Although now we have a whole year to speculate on who amongst the spared will have to really die to revive all of the Infinity Dead. I notice a good amount of the older characters (including the Big 3) did not dissolve... The post-credit scene was great for a host of reasons. Fury and Hill are always welcome and it was a good teaser for Captain Marvel, but it also showed part of the chaos of half the population disappearing. That's something that Ant-Man and the Wasp is going to have to tackle. Also, this is something that CAN NOT be ignored in the next year. Curious to see how or if any of the TV shows that come out in the next year that are supposedly part of this shared universe will handle it.
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Post by machsabre on Apr 27, 2018 22:26:42 GMT -5
So my thoughts on it.
Obviusly I loved it, and yeah... it's a bit odd to say the least when people who aren't familiar with the events of the Jim Starlin comic see the movie and are thinking "Oh my God, so many of them are dead!" And I'm like "Gamora is in the Soul Stone." and "Nebula is alive. She saves the day." But I have to admit, even though I knew it was coming, watching Peter freak out about dying was pretty sad to watch. And I gotta say, I am a bit baffled about the direction they're going in now. I mean, the three big protagonist players in the Infinity Gauntlet comic was Doctor Strange (who's now dead), Adam Warlock (who's still percolating in that cocoon on the Sovereign's homeworld) and Silver Surfer (who's not at Disney yet and won't be before Avengers 4 comes out.) So I'm actually at a bit of a loss how it's going to play out.
Then I remembered. Mar-Vell.
Mar-Vell and Thanos has a long history with each other. And The Captain Marvel movie is set 20 years ago... About the same time when it's hinted that Thanos began his insane quest. And int he comics, Mar-Vell repeatedly served as a form of conscious for Thanos. I think between Mar-Vell, Carol, Nebula and Gamora in the stone... We're looking at the ways he'll be brought down.
All that said. The Captain Marvel movie is a prequel and it's unknown if Ant-Man and the Wasp is set before or not. (Usually these things are set in real time. Not always as GotG2 shows. But usually.) And while it's still unknown if Agents of SHIELD will be renewed or not (the creative team has written the finale that works as both a season and series finale), the ABC President is confident it'll be renewed... And that might be an interesting year of exploration in the post-4 billion dead populace of Earth. (Not to mention, the Agents are currently dealing with their own apocalyptic disaster here... Which seems to involve the Kree and an alien invasion, and potential world smashing.)
Either way, it'll be an interesting year for the MCU here.
And until next year, we got an interesting palette cleanser with Deadpool 2 in a few weeks.
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Post by Optimal Megatron on Apr 28, 2018 21:14:58 GMT -5
Honestly, when it comes to how Thanos is going to be brought down, I think that Tony is going to be important.
Strange used the Time Stone to view possible futures, and found *one* chance that worked. After making a big deal about being willing to let Stark or Peter die to protect the Time Stone from Thanos, he gives it up freely to save Tony's life when Thanos has him at his mercy. And his last words before vaporizing are "Stark, it was the only way" or some such. I'm guessing that he saw there was no way to stop Thanos and all the damage he's done without the Gauntlet being completed so that someone else can use it to fix everything.
Also, a few things I noticed after talking it over with Uni on our drive back from seeing my folks is there are a lot of potential cutouts.
- The Gauntlet itself, rather than just being "Thanos' glove with the Infinity Stones attached" is a weapon purposefully forged to use them in concert. After the finger snap, it looks like it took a beating, suggesting that level of cosmic power is not easy on the gauntlet to use. Thus, a second use on that scale might well destroy the gauntlet, rendering the Infinity Stones powerful but not omnipotent as they were all together. - Wanda destroying the Mind Gem shows that the universe can survive without the stones. It's possible after a second snap restoring things that the gems could be permanently destroyed, compared to the comics where they were required to be watched over and a constant threat of someone reuniting them again. - Vision is a weird case. We could get Vision 2.0 from some kind of backup (as mentioned by Bruce, Vision is far more than just the Mind Stone itself) that Shuri managed to pull down before Corvus Glaive interrupted. Alternatively, and this was one that intrigued me, is that Vision might still be within the Mind Stone itself. When the stone is warning Vision of Thanos, Wanda probes it and tells Vision "I just feel you". It's possible that the stone being bonded to Vision for so long has left him imprinted on it. Not enough to override Thanos' control via the gauntlet, but enough to save him. - The Gems themselves seem to have some form of awareness. The Mind Gem warns Vision of Thanos, the Soul Gem requires a sacrifice to prove its wielder worthy, and the Space Gem deemed the Red Skull *unworthy* and in fact banished him to be the Soul Gem's caretaker as a form of ironic punishment. So it may be that they're not able to directly oppose someone like Thanos, but can bump events (giving Strange his 1 chance in 15 million vision) to bring about Thanos' downfall.
Entirely possible these may be wrong, but just interesting thoughts. Again, given I never read the original Infinity Gauntlet, I may be off, but they're deviating pretty heavily from it already from what I understand, so things may not proceed entirely according to that.
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Post by darkseraph on Apr 28, 2018 22:11:14 GMT -5
Also, Ultron's A.I. originally came from the Mind Stone, didn't it?
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Post by Greatshot on Apr 28, 2018 22:24:10 GMT -5
Just got back from it. Saw it with my cousin, as the lights came up for the credits i just went "Holy. Shit." Him: "word for word what I was about to say". Yeah, that was every bit the movie I was hoping to see. Everyone got their role to play, it had awesome action, it had the Thanos I was praying to see on screen, with plenty of screen time! - who says Marvel villains are bland now? (Brolin was perfect). The scene with him and Gamora and the Soul Stone was a gut punch done just right - agreed on the mocap there being amazing as well.
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Post by machsabre on Apr 28, 2018 22:54:06 GMT -5
Also, Ultron's A.I. originally came from the Mind Stone, didn't it? I think it did. To be honest, a lot of that movie really sort of runs blank on me for some reason. I don't think I've seen it since I saw it in the theaters.
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