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Post by Optimal Megatron on Sept 26, 2019 17:16:54 GMT -5
Trump gave away all that information, I suspect, because he seriously doesn't think he can lose an impeachment inquiry. Given how much a lot of people are digging their heels in on the Republican side on basically every aspect, he may not be wrong, since it has to pass a Republican held Senate.
I honestly think this is less to actually get him out of office as a reaction to how bad it'd look to STILL not try to impeach him with this kind of ammunition. 2020 comes around, the Democrats can say they at least tried to impeach him and blame the Republican Senate if it fails for voting along party lines rather than considering the evidence. If they *hadn't* tried to impeach him with this, it may have lost a lot of voter confidence that they'll be hoping for using in the election.
I'll be pleasantly surprised if this results in Pence as POTUS for a year before the next election, but I'm not getting a lot of hope up for it breaking through the faction deadlock. I'm more hoping 4 years of Trump have convinced a lot of swing states that they don't want him in charge again after seeing how willing he is to drop basically any promise or supposed goal the minute it leaves his attention span (or possibly for the Republican party to drop him like a hot potato rather than allowing him to run for re-election).
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Post by Gojitron on Sept 26, 2019 18:40:33 GMT -5
I'll be pleasantly surprised if this results in Pence as POTUS for a year before the next election NO. We all know Trump is a moron, except for Trump himself. He gets the support he does because "the people" like him and his own party are afraid to stand up to him for fear of losing the support of his "base". But make no mistake, there are people in his administration working every day to control Trump's baser instincts either by circumventing him, or outright ignoring him. Trump would have wiped his ass on the constitution 10 times over by now if there weren't people keeping him in check. Pence, on the other hand, is not a moron, he's worse. He's an extreme right religious conservative who, if given the chance, would trample the rights of women, the LBGT community, minorities and anyone else who didn't fall in line with what he thinks the almighty wants. I don't want Pence near the presidency for a year, a month or a minute. I'd rather ride out the Trump storm until the election and hope that the Dems give us a legitimate contender and the the electorate comes to its' senses.
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Post by machsabre on Sept 26, 2019 19:59:49 GMT -5
I'll be pleasantly surprised if this results in Pence as POTUS for a year before the next election NO. We all know Trump is a moron, except for Trump himself. He gets the support he does because "the people" like him and his own party are afraid to stand up to him for fear of losing the support of his "base". But make no mistake, there are people in his administration working every day to control Trump's baser instincts either by circumventing him, or outright ignoring him. Trump would have wiped his ass on the constitution 10 times over by now if there weren't people keeping him in check. Pence, on the other hand, is not a moron, he's worse. He's an extreme right religious conservative who, if given the chance, would trample the rights of women, the LBGT community, minorities and anyone else who didn't fall in line with what he thinks the almighty wants. I don't want Pence near the presidency for a year, a month or a minute. I'd rather ride out the Trump storm until the election and hope that the Dems give us a legitimate contender and the the electorate comes to its' senses. Pretty much this. Think of it like the D&D alignment category. Trump is Chaotic Evil, but Pence (and McConnell) is Lawful Evil. Chaotic can backfire and actually serve good once in a while, without realizing it. (Like he did with the transcript/memo release.) The only good thing that can come out of a Pence presidency is that he's just such a creepy X-Men villain without any charisma, that a 2020 victory for the Democrats would be all but guaranteed.
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Post by triumshockwave on Sept 28, 2019 14:18:52 GMT -5
We shouldn't think of this in terms of political strategy like "Will Pence be worse" or "How does this affect the 2020 election". This needs to be done because we have rule of law in this country, and we need to show that even the president is not above it. Thinking of it in terms of political strategy is what Pelosi has been doing for 9 months, and she's still worried about it, which is why she's going to fuck it up. She's talking about limiting the scope to the Ukraine thing. What they need to do is look into Trump's business ties and financial crimes. Remember how Clinton was investigated for a real estate deal, but impeached over a blow job? Imagine what you find if you actually look into Trump.
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Post by Mako Crab on Sept 29, 2019 12:02:59 GMT -5
It makes sense to put a laser focus on Ukraine. The Mueller report should’ve done it, but it was 500 pages long, convoluted, and the Dems couldn’t explain it in simple terms to the public. It was so widespread that it got muddled & dragged out & the big revelations were all old news and had no impact when they should’ve.
With Ukraine- they have the coverup laid bare already, they have a transcript of the phone call which is absolutely damning. They have all this evidence right out in the open, supplied by the White House itself (!), and they have a very simple timetable when all this stuff took place. It’s easy to explain that Trump withheld aid to Ukraine & then made a phone call asking for stuff. It’s easy to explain, that when the whistleblower report hit, suddenly that aid was freed up & given to Ukraine.
So yeah- they will absolutely nail him on this. The Democrats will take all his other horrible actions & behavior into account too, I’m sure, but when they need republican votes in the senate to truly get rid of him, it will help to force them to look only at Trump’s extortion of Ukraine to get them to interfere in our elections that will push some R’s to vote him out.
Public perception has already taken a drastic swing too. A 13 point shift towards favoring impeachment among the general public. For republicans in the senate, they may be looking at public opinion in their districts to decide if it’s safe to vote him out or not.
It might seem like they’re limiting their chances to impeach him, but this will probably make it almost certain.
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Post by machsabre on Sept 30, 2019 18:41:51 GMT -5
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Post by triumshockwave on Sept 30, 2019 23:08:21 GMT -5
What's the time frame to get BINGO on that card? I'm pretty sure you can hit it with any given day's worth of watching Fox News.
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Post by machsabre on Oct 3, 2019 19:43:00 GMT -5
Yeah, my wife and I were talking and it seems I need to update it already.
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Post by Mako Crab on Jan 23, 2020 18:43:53 GMT -5
Day 3 of the Dems kicking ass. They make strong arguments, but the real test will come next Wednesday, when the senate holds a vote on whether to admit witnesses, new or otherwise.
I honestly do not expect the GOP to buckle under the pressure. I’m not expecting them to suddenly provide a fair trial. We’ll see.
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Post by machsabre on Jan 23, 2020 22:51:36 GMT -5
Oh that fucker's gonna walk. We all know this.
I'm just hoping that it stains the GOP's reputation for many years to come because of it. Because last I checked... 60% of the country is still fuming pissed at Trump.
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