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Post by machsabre on Jul 9, 2018 20:56:27 GMT -5
My quick bullet point review:
• I liked it a lot. Probably more than the first one. I'd say a solid B+ movie. • Actual laugh out loud moments. Plenty of them. • Really explains what Scott, Hope and Pym were up to during IW. They were kinda busy. • Ghost is up there with Vulture as a great MCU villain. Her backstory is actually tragic and while you don't want her to win, you don't want her to lose either. • Great palette cleanser after Infinity War... • AND if you wanna keep it that way, leave before the end credit stingers hit, because they are possibly the most haunting stingers yet.
Spoiler territory now:
Some people have commented that Janet's powers came out of nowhere. Well, here's my question: The Quantum Realm sure looked a hell of a lot like the Dark Dimension where a certain Dormammu lives. And on top of that... With the white hair, powers and the being stuck there for so long... Did they merge the characters of Janet Van Dyne and Dr. Strange's Clea together?
Also, the first stinger scene was a real "Holy shit, Scott is fucked!" But the second one? Christ. That just nails home the half population dead thing like crazy...
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Post by Greatshot on Jul 9, 2018 21:34:35 GMT -5
I enjoyed it too. Palette clenser from IW is the exact phrase I used to my buddy, strangely enough. Was fun, and felt a lot smaller in scope (not in a bad way!), while explaining where they were during IW - plus it stands to reason given that Pym hates the Starks and prior to the invasion of Wakanda, all we see is the Black Order show up with what, one ship, in NYC and Iron Man dealing with it. "Fuck that guy, he can clean up his mess after getting my suit involved" seems pretty reasonable since they had from their point of view, plenty of important to deal with. I liked Ghost, and I enjoyed the take on Goliath being an older nemesis too. I thought the post credits stuff was brutal. "This is not a test" on the TV screen was pretty strong. I feel they put a lot of pieces in motion for the future of the MCU too. They've now clearly established the mantle of a hero can be passed on, with two Wasps and two Ant-Men (Ant-Mans?), which leads into the assumption of Bucky and/or Falcon taking up the Shield and maybe Rhodes becoming Iron Man (i'm still voting for Shuri to replace Riri in that role though, just because she's awesome), and we know Beta Ray is out there somewhere and Thor has his axe, so.. :nut And they threw a nod towards a future with a Young Avengers team with Cassie's line about wanting to grow up to protect people like her dad does. Stature leading a YA team in 5 or 6 years after the dust settles from IW and i's aftermath seems like the type of long game Feige plays, and it'd be very Disney-esque to do a teen team to bring in new fans as some of the older ones age out. As for the Quantum realm, they've now established firmly that there's powers to be obtained from other dimensions and realities.. first with the Ancient One and Dormammu, then with the Mind Stone being used to create the twins, and now Jan, but this time it's not *deliberate*... which makes me wonder if they're setting up a back door for a certain type of uncanny mutation since the merger should be finalized by then.
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Post by Deinonychus on Jul 10, 2018 7:28:47 GMT -5
I liked it a lot. It kind of kept to being its own localized thing like the first one which is great, because that's how comics work most of the time until there's a guest-shot or crossover. I also think that this was the first MCU movie where nobody died...like, main characters or even random soldiers or cannon fodder (and no, I'm not counting Infinity Deaths). And I'm glad that you guys dug on that quick EAS scene at the end as well. I thought that went a long way towards further demonstrating the actual scope of what happened at the end of Infinity War. Apparently the word out there was that the very final scene was skipable, and it even nearly convinced my Wife that we could skip it. Good thing I insisted on staying.
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Post by SporkBot on Jul 10, 2018 9:46:17 GMT -5
My brother flew in last Friday, and before he surprised our parents, we went to a theater not far from the airport to catch this one. Aside from a power surge interrupting the movie in the middle of Ghost's exposition (we got how her Dad died, she got her powers, and then the bit with the Altoid tin), I thought it was alright. Maybe among the weakest of Marvel's films, but not bad. Still rewatchable.
I at first didn't like the initial impression that Bill Foster was a "villain", but they didn't quite go that route (totally surprised that Ghost didn't outright disobey him and go after Cassie). They follow a lot of steps from Iron Man 2, such as Pym being blamed for the antagonist's father's being fired/discredited or something. The resolving it in a quick line that feel very unsatisfactory. Hank's established as something of a jerk that doesn't get along with others, but we have to take him at his word that Ghost's pappy was "really the bad guy", which you'd think SHIELD would have confirmed (if one of the YouTube videos I watched is correct, and Ghost was one of their operatives), especially given Howard Stark's history with Vanko.
Scott building a security company was a nice touch, showing that he wants to reform, can do it without the suit, and is using the skills that put him in prison to help others. However, for a guy that was established as being pretty educated in his own right, he was more of the comic foil here *rimshot*. It sorta makes sense given they frequently talk about that Quantum Realm, which Lang doesn't have much knowledge on, so he would understandably be confused. But they seem to ignore that he has his own scientific acumen.
My brother noted it felt like a lot of techno-babble with jokes, and...well, he isn't wrong. But I still enjoyed it.
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Post by machsabre on Jul 10, 2018 14:15:06 GMT -5
My brother noted it felt like a lot of techno-babble with jokes, and...well, he isn't wrong. I just gotta say... Being married to a scientist and being friends with a bunch of them... They actually talk like that. The whole "Can you dumb it down a shade" joke, isn't a joke. They actually talk on a different level.
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Post by SporkBot on Jul 13, 2018 9:56:44 GMT -5
One other issue I had with the movie...I really don't like how they darkened Wasps's suit. I mean, seeing some yellows and blues at the end of the first movie was such a nice change of pace. And they decided to just cover it in some kind of mesh or something.
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Post by Gojitron on Jul 16, 2018 11:22:32 GMT -5
I think it's more likely the Quantum realm is the Microverse, not the Dark Dimension. This story is very similar to the ending of Secret Invasion when Thor used his hammer to send the weaponized Wasp to the Microverse before she exploded. In the mid-credits scene, Hank telling Scott to be careful not to get sucked into a time vortex.....I see what you did there, movie. >wink<. I'll just leave this here.... comicbook.com/marvel/2018/04/18/avengers-4-cassie-lang-emma-fuhrmann-cast-time-travel/
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